359: Tokenomicon Sounds Metal, but it's Just Cloud Budgets

Episode 359 June 26, 2026 01:37:44
359: Tokenomicon Sounds Metal, but it's Just Cloud Budgets
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359: Tokenomicon Sounds Metal, but it's Just Cloud Budgets

Jun 26 2026 | 01:37:44

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Hosted By

Jonathan Baker Justin Brodley Matthew Kohn Ryan Lucas

Show Notes

 Welcome to episode 359 of The Cloud Pod, where the weather is always cloudy! Justin and Ryan are in the studio this week to bring you all the latest in cloud and AI news, including AI governance, FinOps’ final conference, and even an earnings story courtesy of Oracle. These and so much more – so let’s get started! 

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General News

02:53 Microsoft restricts Claude Fable for employees over data retention concerns 

04:23 Statement on the US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

05:36 Justin – “…the government sounds like they overreacted as they like to do in this era, and Anthropic doesn’t agree, and they’re going back and forth, and hopefully they get it back. That’s the goal.”

08:51 A frontier without an ecosystem is not stable

09:59 Ryan – “AI is not particularly useful unless you give it access to data, and you can’t give a frontier model access to data, right? You can train it on data and build your own model, but you need some sort of mechanism or platform to set up the rag, to set up any kind of localization or customer state, you know, grounding; like you can’t just put it in there.”

20:07 FinOps X 2026 Day 1 Keynote: The Wild West of AI, Token Economics and the Evolving Role of FinOps

23:10 FinOps X 2026 Day 2 Keynote: From Alerts to Agents

24:41 Justin – “I also don’t know that tokens are going to last forever. It’s lasted longer than I thought it was going to, but I think there’s a lot of pressure for people to explain tokens and how they’re measured, and once you try to do that, it’s very difficult.”

AI Is Going Great – or How ML Makes Money 

25:53 OpenAI to acquire Ona

26:43 Justin – “I’d guess this is nice that there’s a third party involved that if OpenAI ever wants to build something on top of all these data centers they’re building for Stargate, this is nice for them. But all the cloud providers are basically giving you this, too. So it’s sort of interesting.”

29:26 Results from first Anthropic Public Record

32:52 Ryan – “I think that trying to make sure that you have a broader exposure to how people are feeling and how people are using it is important, because I think that – especially when you start talking about regulation – you don’t want to regulate it for one type of person or one industry.” 

37:53 Kimi K2.7 Code: Open-Source Agentic Coding Model

39:06 Justin – “Kimi 2.6 is one of my favorite open source models for coding, and I use it all the time.” 

41:43 Anthropic “pauses” token-based billing for its Claude Agent SDK

23:34 Ryan – “I imagine there are real business problems behind these; capacity and end costs, I’m sure, are a factor. I don’t think it’s all just trying to squeeze every last dollar out of consumers, but I’m not really a big fan of this pricing model.” 

Cloud Tools

44:12  Route public traffic to private applications with Cloudflare

46:16 Ryan – “I’m a big fan of having gateway access to SSH endpoints for managing jump hosts and bastion, and having stuff that’s quickly stood up and taken down so that you can build inside environments, which is neat.”

AWS

47:04 Try the new console experience in Amazon Bedrock, optimized for Anthropic- and OpenAI-compatible APIs

48:07 Justin – “I will tell you that the Bedrock Console – today – is terrible. It is not great.”  

52:10 AWS Cost and Usage Report 2.0 now supports table configurations update

52:53 Ryan – “Man, where were all these cost usage optimizations when I had to generate all the reports?” 

54:11 Amazon OpenSearch Service launches MCP Apps for agentic observability

54:32 Ryan – “The open search API, if it’s anything like the Elastic Search API, is cumbersome to use. I find it very difficult to sort of query Elastic Search natively. And then you add all that sort of reliability and performance problems we’ve had with log ingestion and that kind of stuff – which still makes me a little twitchy. Enough time has passed where I can sort of talk about it openly now. So I kind of liked the idea of having MCP front that and having an easy way to query that data, where I can just have AI do it for me… which is great.”

56:00 Evaluate AI agents systematically with Agent-EvalKit 

58:13 AWS announces AWS Workload Credentials Provider

59:15 Ryan – “It’s great when you’re using ACM natively with Amazon, you know, and the load balancer, and it’s just sort of handled.” 

1:00:00 AWS DevOps Agent expands with custom SRE agents and MCP/A2A protocols

1:00:52 Ryan – “Agents like this can be expensive too because there’s a lot of data… so as long as these things can remain affordable, it’s great.” 

42:46 Amazon CloudWatch Query Studio is now generally available

1:03:04 Justin – “…this is a cool feature. I’m glad it exists, but please stop calling everything a studio.”

1:03:41 AWS launches Cost Explorer historical data retention for accounts in billing groups

1:04:47 Ryan – “For the 12 people that need this, they’re gonna love it.” 

1:06:01 Introducing the Kiro merch store

1:08:14 AWS WAF adds AI traffic monetization capability to help content owners charge AI bots for content access 

1:09:28 Ryan – “I understand a news media site – all of that content – you’re going to pay for all of the hosting and all the hits and there’s going to be zero benefit, you’re not going to have any eyes on your page. It’s someone just getting an answer on some other tool, right? So I really do understand it. And they’re already struggling for money. So it does sort of make sense to me that they would need to do something like that. And I think the alternative to this is just blocking that traffic.”

1:14:26 AWS Sign-in now supports resource-based policies and resource control policies

1:15:21 Ryan – “…for SCPs, that’s where the security really wanted just these big overall ban hammers, right? Resource control is something that, I think it brings it a little bit more down to like the cloud team or someone who’s kind of more in line with the runtime, because it allows you to do contextual access based off of resource, right? Instead of granting all of the permissions to any resource, this allows you to specify the resources specifically.“

GCP

1:16:37  Introducing DiffusionGemma

1:19:18 Choosing your surface: Antigravity 2.0, Antigravity CLI, Antigravity IDE, or Antigravity SDK 

1:19:29 Justin – “Basically, it’s anti-gravity with the IDE, which is what they started with. And then they came out with a CLI. And now they’ve got an SDK and Anti-Gravity 2.0 as the as the desktop app all available to you now.”

1:20:53 Google expands Alabama data center campus, funds community efforts

1:22:22 Justin – “…sustainability now becomes how do we make people not mad at us?”

1:22:34 Brazos liquid cooling system for air-cooled data centers

1:24:22 Ryan – “Back when I was building data centers, like it was one of those things, everal data centers that we had were half empty, right? Because we didn’t have the power density. And so it’s l millions of square feet of just empty space with a little like rack mount sticking out of the floor… so I like seeing these kinds of announcements”

Azure

1:25:32 Stop wasting time and use Custom Extensions for PIM approvals

1:26:58 Ryan – “I think we’re going to see a lot more of this as everyone is trying to deal with Agentic identity.” 

1:27:14 AI 200 – Azure Container Apps Express: Blazing-Fast Deployments Without the Overhead

1:27:55 Justin – “This sounds like a good way to waste a lot of money…” 

1:29:25 Introducing scheduled antivirus scans on Microsoft Defender Linux

Oracle

1:32:43 Oracle Announces Record Q4 and FY 2026 Results Driven by Cloud Infrastructure & Cloud Applications

1:33:59 Justin – “They’re spending a lot of money on AI, so I hope it works out for everybody…” 

Cloud Journey 

1:32:43 Running an AI-native engineering org 

Closing

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